Problemas com disco externo

[R00KIE]

Não vejo nada mal com a tabela de partições, deve ser um erro qualquer no sistema de ficheiros e o windows passa-se.

Quando montas o disco no linux dá algum erro? Tenta ligar o disco e depois vai a uma consola e escreve dmesg e vê se há algum erro ou warning que esteja relacionado com o disco (/dev/sdb ou /dev/sdb1) ou com o sistema de ficheiros (ntfs ou ntfs-3g).

[JCarvalho]

Nop, quando o ligo em linux arranca logo e trabalha às mil maravilhas.
Houve alguns erros, penso eu, em
[ 10.042169] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[ 10.042826] usb-storage: probe of 5-1:1.0 failed with error -5
[ 10.042912] usb-storage: probe of 5-1:1.1 failed with error -5
[ 10.044750] usb-storage: probe of 5-1:1.2 failed with error -1
[ 10.044772] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[ 10.044794] USB Mass Storage support registered

mas também não sei se é isto, porque os valores apresentados ao fazer dmesg nunca mais acabam lol
De qualquer forma aqui fica a lista completa

[ 0.513048] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:02
[ 0.513050] pci 0000:00:1c.0: IO window: disabled
[ 0.513054] pci 0000:00:1c.0: MEM window: 0xfdf00000-0xfdffffff
[ 0.513058] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PREFETCH window: disabled
[ 0.513063] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:03
[ 0.513064] pci 0000:00:1c.1: IO window: disabled
[ 0.513069] pci 0000:00:1c.1: MEM window: 0xfe000000-0xfe0fffff
[ 0.513072] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PREFETCH window: disabled
[ 0.513078] pci 0000:00:1c.2: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:04
[ 0.513079] pci 0000:00:1c.2: IO window: disabled
[ 0.513083] pci 0000:00:1c.2: MEM window: disabled
[ 0.513087] pci 0000:00:1c.2: PREFETCH window: disabled
[ 0.513092] pci 0000:00:1c.3: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:05
[ 0.513094] pci 0000:00:1c.3: IO window: 0xb000-0xbfff
[ 0.513099] pci 0000:00:1c.3: MEM window: 0xfe100000-0xfe1fffff
[ 0.513102] pci 0000:00:1c.3: PREFETCH window: disabled
[ 0.513108] pci 0000:00:1c.4: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:06
[ 0.513110] pci 0000:00:1c.4: IO window: 0xc000-0xcfff
[ 0.513115] pci 0000:00:1c.4: MEM window: 0xfe200000-0xfe9fffff
[ 0.513118] pci 0000:00:1c.4: PREFETCH window: 0x000000f5d00000-0x000000f7cfffff
[ 0.513124] pci 0000:00:1c.5: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:08
[ 0.513125] pci 0000:00:1c.5: IO window: disabled
[ 0.513129] pci 0000:00:1c.5: MEM window: disabled
[ 0.513133] pci 0000:00:1c.5: PREFETCH window: disabled
[ 0.513138] pci 0000:00:1e.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:09
[ 0.513140] pci 0000:00:1e.0: IO window: disabled
[ 0.513144] pci 0000:00:1e.0: MEM window: 0xfea00000-0xfeafffff
[ 0.513148] pci 0000:00:1e.0: PREFETCH window: disabled
[ 0.513159] pci 0000:00:01.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 0.513162] pci 0000:00:01.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513168] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 0.513172] pci 0000:00:1c.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513178] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
[ 0.513182] pci 0000:00:1c.1: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513189] pci 0000:00:1c.2: PCI INT C -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[ 0.513192] pci 0000:00:1c.2: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513199] pci 0000:00:1c.3: PCI INT D -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19
[ 0.513203] pci 0000:00:1c.3: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513209] pci 0000:00:1c.4: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 0.513212] pci 0000:00:1c.4: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513218] pci 0000:00:1c.5: PCI INT B -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
[ 0.513222] pci 0000:00:1c.5: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513227] pci 0000:00:1e.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 0.513230] bus: 00 index 0 io port: [0x00-0xffff]
[ 0.513232] bus: 00 index 1 mmio: [0x000000-0xffffffff]
[ 0.513234] bus: 01 index 0 io port: [0xa000-0xafff]
[ 0.513236] bus: 01 index 1 mmio: [0xf7e00000-0xfdefffff]
[ 0.513237] bus: 01 index 2 mmio: [0xd5d00000-0xf5cfffff]
[ 0.513239] bus: 01 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513241] bus: 02 index 0 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513242] bus: 02 index 1 mmio: [0xfdf00000-0xfdffffff]
[ 0.513244] bus: 02 index 2 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513245] bus: 02 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513247] bus: 03 index 0 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513248] bus: 03 index 1 mmio: [0xfe000000-0xfe0fffff]
[ 0.513250] bus: 03 index 2 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513251] bus: 03 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513253] bus: 04 index 0 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513254] bus: 04 index 1 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513256] bus: 04 index 2 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513257] bus: 04 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513259] bus: 05 index 0 io port: [0xb000-0xbfff]
[ 0.513260] bus: 05 index 1 mmio: [0xfe100000-0xfe1fffff]
[ 0.513262] bus: 05 index 2 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513263] bus: 05 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513265] bus: 06 index 0 io port: [0xc000-0xcfff]
[ 0.513266] bus: 06 index 1 mmio: [0xfe200000-0xfe9fffff]
[ 0.513268] bus: 06 index 2 mmio: [0xf5d00000-0xf7cfffff]
[ 0.513270] bus: 06 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513271] bus: 08 index 0 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513273] bus: 08 index 1 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513274] bus: 08 index 2 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513275] bus: 08 index 3 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513277] bus: 09 index 0 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513278] bus: 09 index 1 mmio: [0xfea00000-0xfeafffff]
[ 0.513280] bus: 09 index 2 mmio: [0x0-0x0]
[ 0.513282] bus: 09 index 3 io port: [0x00-0xffff]
[ 0.513283] bus: 09 index 4 mmio: [0x000000-0xffffffff]
[ 0.513289] NET: Registered protocol family 2
[ 0.528040] IP route cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
[ 0.528227] TCP established hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes)
[ 0.528502] TCP bind hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
[ 0.528645] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 131072 bind 65536)
[ 0.528647] TCP reno registered
[ 0.532049] NET: Registered protocol family 1
[ 0.532136] checking if image is initramfs... it is
[ 1.037606] Freeing initrd memory: 7377k freed
[ 1.037641] Simple Boot Flag at 0x52 set to 0x1
[ 1.037792] cpufreq: No nForce2 chipset.
[ 1.037912] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)
[ 1.037933] type=2000 audit(1246996030.037:1): initialized
[ 1.044096] highmem bounce pool size: 64 pages
[ 1.044100] HugeTLB registered 4 MB page size, pre-allocated 0 pages
[ 1.045143] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1
[ 1.045189] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes)
[ 1.045668] fuse init (API version 7.10)
[ 1.045732] msgmni has been set to 1672
[ 1.045867] alg: No test for stdrng (krng)
[ 1.045875] io scheduler noop registered
[ 1.045877] io scheduler anticipatory registered
[ 1.045879] io scheduler deadline registered
[ 1.045889] io scheduler cfq registered (default)
[ 1.115041] pci 0000:01:00.0: Boot video device
[ 1.118005] pcieport-driver 0000:00:01.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118037] pcieport-driver 0000:00:01.0: found MSI capability
[ 1.118058] pcieport-driver 0000:00:01.0: irq 2303 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118067] pci_express 0000:00:01.0:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118078] pci_express 0000:00:01.0:pcie02: allocate port service
[ 1.118087] pci_express 0000:00:01.0:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118127] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118158] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.0: found MSI capability
[ 1.118179] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.0: irq 2302 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118190] pci_express 0000:00:1c.0:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118199] pci_express 0000:00:1c.0:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118248] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.1: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118278] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.1: found MSI capability
[ 1.118300] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.1: irq 2301 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118310] pci_express 0000:00:1c.1:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118320] pci_express 0000:00:1c.1:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118371] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.2: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118401] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.2: found MSI capability
[ 1.118423] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.2: irq 2300 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118433] pci_express 0000:00:1c.2:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118443] pci_express 0000:00:1c.2:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118491] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.3: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118521] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.3: found MSI capability
[ 1.118543] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.3: irq 2299 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118553] pci_express 0000:00:1c.3:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118563] pci_express 0000:00:1c.3:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118611] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.4: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118642] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.4: found MSI capability
[ 1.118664] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.4: irq 2298 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118674] pci_express 0000:00:1c.4:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118684] pci_express 0000:00:1c.4:pcie02: allocate port service
[ 1.118693] pci_express 0000:00:1c.4:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118742] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.5: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.118773] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.5: found MSI capability
[ 1.118795] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.5: irq 2297 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.118805] pci_express 0000:00:1c.5:pcie00: allocate port service
[ 1.118815] pci_express 0000:00:1c.5:pcie02: allocate port service
[ 1.118825] pci_express 0000:00:1c.5:pcie03: allocate port service
[ 1.118884] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[ 1.119283] pciehp 0000:00:01.0:pcie02: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 2a01 ss_vid 0 ss_did 0
[ 1.119310] pciehp 0000:00:01.0:pcie02: service driver pciehp loaded
[ 1.119681] pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie02: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 2847 ss_vid 0 ss_did 0
[ 1.119707] pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie02: service driver pciehp loaded
[ 1.120074] pciehp 0000:00:1c.5:pcie02: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 2849 ss_vid 0 ss_did 0
[ 1.120102] pciehp 0000:00:1c.5:pcie02: service driver pciehp loaded
[ 1.120109] pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.4
[ 1.120266] ACPI: AC Adapter [AC0] (on-line)
[ 1.120383] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery absent)
[ 1.120439] input: Power Button (FF) as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input0
[ 1.120441] ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]
[ 1.120485] input: Sleep Button (CM) as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0E:00/input/input1
[ 1.120492] ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SLPB]
[ 1.120523] input: Lid Switch as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0D:00/input/input2
[ 1.120684] ACPI: EC: non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt mode
[ 1.122160] ACPI: Lid Switch [LID]
[ 1.122743] ACPI: SSDT BFFB63A0, 02C8 (r1 PmRef Cpu0Ist 3000 INTL 20051117)
[ 1.123177] ACPI: SSDT BFFB6700, 0712 (r1 PmRef Cpu0Cst 3001 INTL 20051117)
[ 1.124098] Monitor-Mwait will be used to enter C-1 state
[ 1.124101] Monitor-Mwait will be used to enter C-2 state
[ 1.124112] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2])
[ 1.124130] processor ACPI_CPU:00: registered as cooling_device0
[ 1.124133] ACPI: Processor [P001] (supports 8 throttling states)
[ 1.124417] ACPI: SSDT BFFB62D0, 00C8 (r1 PmRef Cpu1Ist 3000 INTL 20051117)
[ 1.124805] ACPI: SSDT BFFB6670, 0085 (r1 PmRef Cpu1Cst 3000 INTL 20051117)
[ 1.125777] ACPI: CPU1 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2])
[ 1.125791] processor ACPI_CPU:01: registered as cooling_device1
[ 1.125794] ACPI: Processor [P002] (supports 8 throttling states)
[ 1.129947] thermal LNXTHERM:01: registered as thermal_zone0
[ 1.130814] ACPI: Thermal Zone [THRM] (58 C)
[ 1.130856] isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
[ 1.483785] isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
[ 1.492171] Serial: 8250/16550 driver4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[ 1.493012] brd: module loaded
[ 1.493249] loop: module loaded
[ 1.493305] Fixed MDIO Bus: probed
[ 1.493309] PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
[ 1.493353] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input3
[ 1.493376] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[ 1.493384] Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[ 1.493414] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: version 3.0
[ 1.493425] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: PCI INT B -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 20
[ 1.493452] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: irq 2296 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.493505] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0100 32 slots 3 ports 3 Gbps 0x7 impl SATA mode
[ 1.493508] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: flags: 64bit ncq sntf pm led clo pio slum part ems
[ 1.493512] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: setting latency timer to 64
[ 1.493735] scsi0 : ahci
[ 1.493801] scsi1 : ahci
[ 1.493849] scsi2 : ahci
[ 1.493947] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xfebff800 port 0xfebff900 irq 2296
[ 1.493950] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xfebff800 port 0xfebff980 irq 2296
[ 1.493952] ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xfebff800 port 0xfebffa00 irq 2296
[ 1.812014] ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
[ 1.813085] ata1.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:00:00:00:00:a0 filtered out
[ 1.813129] ata1.00: ACPI cmd ef/10:06:00:00:00:a0 succeeded
[ 1.813131] ata1.00: ACPI cmd ef/10:03:00:00:00:a0 filtered out
[ 1.813461] ata1.00: ATA-8: ST9250827AS, 3.AAA, max UDMA/133
[ 1.813463] ata1.00: 488397168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
[ 1.814404] ata1.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:00:00:00:00:a0 filtered out
[ 1.814448] ata1.00: ACPI cmd ef/10:06:00:00:00:a0 succeeded
[ 1.814450] ata1.00: ACPI cmd ef/10:03:00:00:00:a0 filtered out
[ 1.814788] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 2.148012] ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
[ 2.484012] ata3: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
[ 2.500085] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST9250827AS 3.AA PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[ 2.500155] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 488397168 512-byte hardware sectors: (250 GB/232 GiB)
[ 2.500168] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[ 2.500169] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 2.500189] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 2.500230] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 488397168 512-byte hardware sectors: (250 GB/232 GiB)
[ 2.500241] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[ 2.500243] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 2.500261] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 2.500264] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 < sda5 sda6 > sda4
[ 2.590869] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[ 2.590899] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[ 2.590936] ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: version 2.12
[ 2.590942] ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[ 2.590970] ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.591023] scsi3 : ata_piix
[ 2.591066] scsi4 : ata_piix
[ 2.591590] ata4: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xffa0 irq 14
[ 2.591592] ata5: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xffa8 irq 15
[ 2.768337] ata4.00: ATAPI: TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L632H, AS02, max UDMA/33
[ 2.800282] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/33
[ 2.802234] ata5: port disabled. ignoring.
[ 2.804624] scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROM TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L632H AS02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[ 2.816186] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[ 2.816188] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
[ 2.816251] sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
[ 2.816278] sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5
[ 2.816810] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver
[ 2.816824] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: PCI INT C -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[ 2.816834] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.816837] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI Host Controller
[ 2.816881] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
[ 2.820772] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: debug port 1
[ 2.820778] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: cache line size of 32 is not supported
[ 2.820788] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: irq 18, io mem 0xfebff400
[ 2.832006] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00
[ 2.832055] usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.832076] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.832083] hub 1-0:1.0: 4 ports detected
[ 2.832166] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: PCI INT A -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 23
[ 2.832175] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.832178] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller
[ 2.832212] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
[ 2.836122] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1
[ 2.836127] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: cache line size of 32 is not supported
[ 2.836139] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 23, io mem 0xfebff000
[ 2.848005] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00
[ 2.848055] usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.848076] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.848081] hub 2-0:1.0: 6 ports detected
[ 2.848154] ohci_hcd: USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver
[ 2.848167] uhci_hcd: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
[ 2.848181] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 2.848186] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.848189] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: UHCI Host Controller
[ 2.848223] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
[ 2.848249] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: irq 16, io base 0x0000e080
[ 2.848309] usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.848328] hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.848333] hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[ 2.848397] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21
[ 2.848402] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.848404] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: UHCI Host Controller
[ 2.848434] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
[ 2.848459] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: irq 21, io base 0x0000e000
[ 2.848512] usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.848531] hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.848536] hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[ 2.848600] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 23
[ 2.848605] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.848607] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller
[ 2.848637] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 5
[ 2.848656] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 23, io base 0x0000dc00
[ 2.848711] usb usb5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.848729] hub 5-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.848734] hub 5-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[ 2.848796] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19
[ 2.848801] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.848804] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller
[ 2.848836] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 6
[ 2.848862] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 19, io base 0x0000d880
[ 2.848917] usb usb6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.848935] hub 6-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.848940] hub 6-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[ 2.849014] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: PCI INT C -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[ 2.849019] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.849022] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller
[ 2.849054] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 7
[ 2.849074] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 18, io base 0x0000d800
[ 2.849128] usb usb7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2.849146] hub 7-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 2.849151] hub 7-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[ 2.849257] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f03:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
[ 2.851061] i8042.c: Detected active multiplexing controller, rev 1.1.
[ 2.851846] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[ 2.851849] serio: i8042 AUX0 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[ 2.851851] serio: i8042 AUX1 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[ 2.851853] serio: i8042 AUX2 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[ 2.851855] serio: i8042 AUX3 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[ 2.853030] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[ 2.869051] rtc_cmos 00:03: RTC can wake from S4
[ 2.869075] rtc_cmos 00:03: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0
[ 2.869097] rtc0: alarms up to one month, y3k, 114 bytes nvram, hpet irqs
[ 2.869144] device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3
[ 2.869207] device-mapper: ioctl: 4.14.0-ioctl (2008-04-23) initialised: dm-devel@redhat.com
[ 2.869262] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.0.5 loaded
[ 2.869264] device-mapper: multipath round-robin: version 1.0.0 loaded
[ 2.869319] EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0
[ 2.869344] EISA: Detected 0 cards.
[ 2.869421] cpuidle: using governor ladder
[ 2.869490] cpuidle: using governor menu
[ 2.869877] TCP cubic registered
[ 2.869953] NET: Registered protocol family 10
[ 2.870282] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[ 2.870540] NET: Registered protocol family 17
[ 2.870553] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.11
[ 2.870554] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
[ 2.870556] Bluetooth: SCO (Voice Link) ver 0.6
[ 2.870558] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
[ 2.870582] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
[ 2.870587] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
[ 2.870589] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.10
[ 2.871390] Marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle
[ 2.871424] Using IPI No-Shortcut mode
[ 2.871481] registered taskstats version 1
[ 2.871583] Magic number: 1:782:798
[ 2.871652] rtc_cmos 00:03: setting system clock to 2009-07-07 19:47:12 UTC (1246996032)
[ 2.871655] BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 0 devices found
[ 2.871656] EDD information not available.
[ 2.871893] Freeing unused kernel memory: 532k freed
[ 2.871996] Write protecting the kernel text: 4112k
[ 2.872045] Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 1524k
[ 2.901580] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input4
[ 3.055186] atl1 0000:02:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 3.055197] atl1 0000:02:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 3.055227] atl1 0000:02:00.0: version 2.1.3
[ 3.179720] ohci1394 0000:09:01.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 3.232420] ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[16] MMIO=[feaff800-feafffff] Max Packet=[2048] IR/IT contexts=[4/4]
[ 3.236478] usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
[ 3.375548] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 3.900046] usb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[ 3.941576] PM: Starting manual resume from disk
[ 3.941578] PM: Resume from partition 8:4
[ 3.941579] PM: Checking hibernation image.
[ 3.941733] PM: Resume from disk failed.
[ 3.978185] EXT4-fs: barriers enabled
[ 3.992356] kjournald2 starting. Commit interval 5 seconds
[ 3.992367] EXT4-fs: delayed allocation enabled
[ 3.992368] EXT4-fs: file extents enabled
[ 3.992523] EXT4-fs: mballoc enabled
[ 3.992526] EXT4-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[ 4.056777] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 4.300051] usb 5-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[ 4.477761] usb 5-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 4.552132] ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[001e8c00012835a2]
[ 4.729045] usb 7-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[ 4.893187] usb 7-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 8.899191] udev: starting version 141
[ 9.344447] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
[ 9.439490] iTCO_vendor_support: vendor-support=0
[ 9.489103] sdhci: Secure Digital Host Controller Interface driver
[ 9.489104] sdhci: Copyright© Pierre Ossman
[ 9.525266] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
[ 9.525268] ricoh-mmc: Copyright© Philip Langdale
[ 9.525297] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:09:01.2 [1180:0843] (rev 12)
[ 9.525312] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
[ 9.525969] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated:
[ 9.525971] (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp)
[ 9.525973] (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
[ 9.525974] (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
[ 9.525976] (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
[ 9.525978] (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
[ 9.525979] (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm)
[ 9.572105] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input5
[ 9.691554] usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev
[ 9.705929] input: Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse 500 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb5/5-2/5-2:1.0/input/input6
[ 9.706162] generic-usb 0003:045E:0737.0001: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse 500] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input0
[ 9.706176] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[ 9.706191] usbhid: v2.6:USB HID core driver
[ 9.753793] Linux agpgart interface v0.103
[ 9.846275] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[ 10.042169] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[ 10.042826] usb-storage: probe of 5-1:1.0 failed with error -5
[ 10.042912] usb-storage: probe of 5-1:1.1 failed with error -5
[ 10.044750] usb-storage: probe of 5-1:1.2 failed with error -1
[ 10.044772] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[ 10.044794] USB Mass Storage support registered.
[ 10.227857] iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.05
[ 10.228053] iTCO_wdt: Found a ICH8M TCO device (Version=2, TCOBASE=0x0860)
[ 10.228110] iTCO_wdt: initialized. heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)
[ 10.313925] acpi device:20: registered as cooling_device2
[ 10.314087] input: Video Bus as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/device:1b/device:1c/input/input7
[ 10.316098] ACPI: Video Device [VGA] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no)
[ 10.397544] sdhci-pci 0000:09:01.1: SDHCI controller found [1180:0822] (rev 22)
[ 10.397557] sdhci-pci 0000:09:01.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
[ 10.399638] mmc0: SDHCI controller on PCI [0000:09:01.1] using PIO
[ 10.461883] asus-laptop: Asus Laptop Support version 0.42
[ 10.465811] asus-laptop: M51Sn model detected
[ 10.466447] asus-laptop: Brightness ignored, must be controlled by ACPI video driver
[ 10.466475] Registered led device: asus::mail
[ 10.633972] synaptics was reset on resume, see synaptics_resume_reset if you have trouble on resume
[ 10.706322] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[ 10.718601] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device USB 2.0 Camera (174f:5a31)
[ 10.730976] input: USB 2.0 Camera as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input8
[ 10.735359] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial
[ 10.735387] USB Serial support registered for generic
[ 10.958449] nvidia 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[ 10.958456] nvidia 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 10.958718] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 180.44 Mon Mar 23 14:59:10 PST 2009
[ 10.960496] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
[ 10.960499] USB Video Class driver (v0.1.0)
[ 10.960534] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic
[ 10.960536] usbserial: USB Serial Driver core
[ 10.961527] USB Serial support registered for GSM modem (1-port)
[ 10.961574] option 5-1:1.0: GSM modem (1-port) converter detected
[ 10.961701] usb 5-1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[ 10.961710] option 5-1:1.1: GSM modem (1-port) converter detected
[ 10.962073] usb 5-1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[ 10.962094] usbcore: registered new interface driver option
[ 10.962096] option: v0.7.2:USB Driver for GSM modems
[ 11.013594] iwlagn: Intel® Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux, 1.3.27ks
[ 11.013596] iwlagn: Copyright© 2003-2008 Intel Corporation
[ 11.013669] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
[ 11.013676] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 11.013711] iwlagn: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN REV=0x4
[ 11.050711] iwlagn: Tunable channels: 13 802.11bg, 19 802.11a channels
[ 11.050769] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: irq 2295 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 11.051511] phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-agn-rs'
[ 11.265603] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22
[ 11.265662] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 11.299347] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC660VD/ALC861VD, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[ 11.523606] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 6.2, id: 0x81a0b1, caps: 0xa04711/0x200000
[ 11.563939] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input9
[ 11.894972] lp: driver loaded but no devices found
[ 11.982519] Adding 522104k swap on /dev/sda4. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:522104k
[ 12.417029] hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x01bba000
[ 12.500098] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -80986697 ns)
[ 12.511394] EXT4 FS on sda6, internal journal on sda6:8
[ 13.599520] type=1505 audit(1246992443.224:2): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession" name2="default" pid=2239
[ 13.632412] type=1505 audit(1246992443.260:3): operation="profile_load" name="/sbin/dhclient-script" name2="default" pid=2243
[ 13.632476] type=1505 audit(1246992443.260:4): operation="profile_load" name="/sbin/dhclient3" name2="default" pid=2243
[ 13.632504] type=1505 audit(1246992443.260:5): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action" name2="default" pid=2243
[ 13.632533] type=1505 audit(1246992443.260:6): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/lib/connman/scripts/dhclient-script" name2="default" pid=2243
[ 13.723657] type=1505 audit(1246992443.348:7): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf" name2="default" pid=2248
[ 13.723797] type=1505 audit(1246992443.348:8): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name2="default" pid=2248
[ 13.743500] type=1505 audit(1246992443.368:9): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/sbin/tcpdump" name2="default" pid=2252
[ 17.760870] Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3
[ 17.760872] Bluetooth: BNEP filters: protocol multicast
[ 17.805467] Bridge firewalling registered
[ 18.965755] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
[ 23.417484] atl1 0000:02:00.0: irq 2294 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 23.417715] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[ 23.418251] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
[ 23.504273] iwlagn: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
[ 23.513311] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[ 55.849342] PPP BSD Compression module registered
[ 55.890856] PPP Deflate Compression module registered
[ 211.040093] usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[ 211.301915] usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 211.316131] scsi8 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[ 211.317223] usb-storage: device found at 5
[ 211.317227] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[ 216.316437] usb-storage: device scan complete
[ 216.351785] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access ST350082 0AS SD25 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[ 216.354357] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[ 216.355225] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 216.355232] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[ 216.355237] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 216.360524] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[ 216.361331] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 216.361338] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[ 216.361344] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 216.361352] sdb: sdb1
[ 216.389287] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[ 216.389421] sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[ 2435.684026] usb 4-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[ 2435.998291] usb 4-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2436.068486] Bluetooth: Generic Bluetooth USB driver ver 0.3
[ 2436.069393] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
[ 2452.895744] iwlagn: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
[ 2452.895750] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
[ 2453.139787] usb 4-2: USB disconnect, address 2
[ 2453.140104] btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb f324b480 failed to resubmit (19)
[ 2453.140120] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb f324ba80 failed to resubmit (19)
[ 2453.141087] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb f324ba00 failed to resubmit (19)
[ 2453.144381] btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb f1c2c700 submission failed
[14124.755942] usb 2-4: USB disconnect, address 5
[14148.996144] usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
[14149.254663] usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[14149.257384] scsi9 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[14149.257785] usb-storage: device found at 6
[14149.257789] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[14154.256435] usb-storage: device scan complete
[14154.291804] scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access ST350082 0AS SD25 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[14154.293622] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[14154.294673] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[14154.294680] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[14154.294686] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[14154.304069] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[14154.305142] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[14154.305149] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[14154.305155] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[14154.305165] sdb: sdb1
[14154.344791] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[14154.344928] sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
jcarvalho@jcarvalho-laptop:~$



Pode, e é quase certo, ter-me escapado qualquer coisa ali pelo meio, porque também isto já é muita areia para a minha camioneta como se costuma dizer.
De qualquer forma obrigado pela ajuda e paciência.

[R00KIE]

Também não vejo nenhum problema aí. Vejo que ligaste o disco depois ligaste uma pen bluetooth, desligaste a pen e depois o disco e voltaste a ligar o disco e não aparecem problemas aí.

A seguir a ligares o disco a primeira vez (ou a segunda vez) por acaso acedeste aos ficheiros que lá estão dentro, nem que seja só ver o conteúdo do disco? É que isso obriga a montar a partição e se o ntfs-3g encontrasse algum problema podia deixar algum aviso ou erro nessa lista e com isso dar alguma pista para o problema.

Também já viste nos logs do windows se lá está algum erro que possa indicar o porque de o windows detectar a partição como raw?

Já agora aquilo que te interessa é o que está a partir de [14148.996144]. Quando tiveres alguma coisa que ligues e não trabalha já sabes onde tens de ir primeiro à procura de erros ou avisos.

[JCarvalho]

ROOKIE sim estava, salvo erro estava até a ouvir música.
Quanto aos logs do windows isso não fiz até porque não sei mas depois de ler a tua resposta andei à procura na net e encontrei um software, event log explorer, e tentei fazê-lo. Ainda assim não entendi muito bem como funciona aquilo e não consegui aceder a nenhum log. Talvez se com a tua paciência me possas explicar forma de o fazer.
E obrigado pela explicação, agora já vou saber onde procurar da próxima vez.

[R00KIE]

Desculpa a demora mas tive de mudar a fralda ao meu sistema, deixou de trabalhar depois de um update >_<.

No windows para veres os logs do sistema fazes assim, assumindo que é o xp (se for mais recente deve ser semelhante) click com o botão direito do rato no meu computador
-> gerir deve aparecer qualquer coisa parecida com isto (eu tenho uma versão em inglês do windows portanto os nomes serão aproximados). Tens de ter privilégios de administrador para poderes ver os logs.



Depois escolhes a parte do registo de eventos ou visualizador de eventos (aqui é Event Viewer), lá dentro tens várias categorias, normalmente onde aparece tudo e o reste é na parte de sistema e dos programas, é aí que deves procurar. As entradas todas têm data e hora portanto quando ligares o disco verificas pela data e hora em que ligaste e vês se é registado algum erro ou aviso (para veres mais detalhes fazes duplo click na entrada do erro/registo), depois é procurar no google pelo código de erro ou aviso e pode ser que até dês com uma página da microsoft a explicar melhor qual o problema ou pode até ter uma solução.

Exemplo:

[JCarvalho]

Falar com quem sabe traz sempre os seus proveitos lol
Já vi os logs do windows e não me aparece nenhum a reportar que no dia x o disco se passou da marmita, no entanto todos os que com eles tão relacionados me diz qualquer coisa como A estrutura de sistema de ficheiros no disco está danificada e inutilizável. Execute o utilitário chkdsk no volume D: com o ID 55. Depois de utilizar a ajuda online fui dar a esta página e depois encontrei lá esta Na segunda parece estar uma possível resolução para o problema, ainda que fale somente do 2003 e XP, nem encontrei sequer um hotfix para o Vista que é o que uso. Mas pode ser que as soluções apresentadas resultem. Mais logo com tempo vou experimentar a ver se resolve. Depois Já coloco aqui novidades.
Obrigado e um abraço

[JCarvalho]

Bem, depois de horas a fazer chkdsk L: /r /f e do disco ser reconhecido como ntfs e sem problemas, continua tudo na mesma o hotfix da página da microsoft não existe para o vista e por isso também não serviu de muito.
Enfim.. Não sei o que fazer. provavelmente vou "desistir" e formatar, para ver se assim ele volta ao normal.

[R00KIE]

Pois ... assim não há muito mais a fazer. Podes tentar em linux usar o ntfsfix mas o mais certo é o resultado ser o mesmo (no linux o disco trabalha bem) pois o ntfsfix só repara erros básicos e força um chkdsk da próxima vez que o windows vir o disco (normalmente no próximo arranque).

Parece-me que isso será um problema raro e achar a solução para isso é como procurar uma agulha num palheiro